#435361 - 08/04/0806:12 AM Cancel the Z and skip-stop stations
NAMELESS3401NAMELESS3401
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When i was first taking the J on weeekdays i almost missed my stop because iwas wondering if the J stop at cleveland st(coming for manhattan)but to my suprise the J stop at cleveland st.However if i had caught the Z i missed then i would i missed my stop. Just cancel the Z and the problem might not happen to any new comers on the line like i was.Besides the Z only runs at rush hours and by canceling the Z,the J/M would have more trains and the conductors don't have to worry about changing the signs to say Z(for the R42s)or reprogram the r160 to say Z making skip-stops just like what the did with the 1 and now gone 9.
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#435391 - 08/04/0802:27 PMRe: Cancel the Z and skip-stop stations
[Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
NAMELESS3401NAMELESS3401
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Originally Posted By: R-7 SEPTA Local
Then what you propose for service between Mtyle and Supthin/Archer? If J made all stops this might cause more crowding on the "E" and "A" lines.
With the canceled Z gone maybe a express J and local J would help wtih that problem. J express from macy to myrtle and myrle to b'way junction then switch back local to speed up travel time to get more trains right of b'way junction. J local would stop at the local stations between macy to myrtle and myrtle to b'way junction this would attract more riders mostly the queens bound riders there would be more trains where the need to be.
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#435454 - 08/04/0807:39 PMRe: Cancel the Z and skip-stop stations
[Re: R32_3348]
R-7 SEPTA LocalR-7 SEPTA Local
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Originally Posted By: R32_3348
Originally Posted By: NAMELESS3401
J express from macy to myrtle and myrle to b'way junction then switch back local to speed up travel time to get more trains right of b'way junction.
What would be the local service between Myrtle and the Junction?
Under Nameless plan i assume a "J" local. He wants to drop the "Z" line and just call it the <J>express and "J" local between Broad St and Broadway Junction rush hours. This would be similar to the '#6 and 7' lines in Bronx & Queens respectly.
#435470 - 08/04/0807:58 PMRe: Cancel the Z and skip-stop stations
[Re: NAMELESS3401]
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Originally Posted By: NAMELESS3401
When i was first taking the J on weeekdays i almost missed my stop because iwas wondering if the J stop at cleveland st(coming for manhattan)but to my suprise the J stop at cleveland st.However if i had caught the Z i missed then i would i missed my stop. Just cancel the Z and the problem might not happen to any new comers on the line like i was.Besides the Z only runs at rush hours and by canceling the Z,the J/M would have more trains and the conductors don't have to worry about changing the signs to say Z(for the R42s)or reprogram the r160 to say Z making skip-stops just like what the did with the 1 and now gone 9.
Just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean it's useless. Ending skip stop would discourage people from riding the J/Z.
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#435476 - 08/04/0808:40 PMRe: Cancel the Z and skip-stop stations
[Re: Lex Express]
NAMELESS3401NAMELESS3401
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Loc: Brooklyn,New York
Originally Posted By: Lex Express
Originally Posted By: NAMELESS3401
When i was first taking the J on weeekdays i almost missed my stop because iwas wondering if the J stop at cleveland st(coming for manhattan)but to my suprise the J stop at cleveland st.However if i had caught the Z i missed then i would i missed my stop. Just cancel the Z and the problem might not happen to any new comers on the line like i was.Besides the Z only runs at rush hours and by canceling the Z,the J/M would have more trains and the conductors don't have to worry about changing the signs to say Z(for the R42s)or reprogram the r160 to say Z making skip-stops just like what the did with the 1 and now gone 9.
Just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean it's useless. Ending skip stop would discourage people from riding the J/Z.
Are you telling me that the people waiting at the skiped station might want to wait for the right train to stop if they are tired and really want going home. think about that and try it to see what i am talking about.
Edited by NAMELESS3401 (08/04/0808:42 PM)
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#435485 - 08/04/0809:25 PMRe: Cancel the Z and skip-stop stations
[Re: Lex Express]
MikeMV924MikeMV924
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Registered: 04/07/08
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Loc: Middle Village, NY
Originally Posted By: Lex Express
Originally Posted By: NAMELESS3401
When i was first taking the J on weeekdays i almost missed my stop because iwas wondering if the J stop at cleveland st(coming for manhattan)but to my suprise the J stop at cleveland st.However if i had caught the Z i missed then i would i missed my stop. Just cancel the Z and the problem might not happen to any new comers on the line like i was.Besides the Z only runs at rush hours and by canceling the Z,the J/M would have more trains and the conductors don't have to worry about changing the signs to say Z(for the R42s)or reprogram the r160 to say Z making skip-stops just like what the did with the 1 and now gone 9.
Just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean it's useless. Ending skip stop would discourage people from riding the J/Z.
I agree, the skip stop service has been proven to work on the line
#435582 - 08/05/0801:01 PMRe: Cancel the Z and skip-stop stations
[Re: MikeMV924]
R32_3348R32_3348
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If there were more cars in the Eastern Division this would be my plan.
(J) Express between Marcy Avenue and Broadway Junction Skip-stop with (Z) east of BWJ Rush Hours, Middays, Evenings Other times local
(Z) Express between Marcy Avenue and Myrtle Avenue Local between Myrtle and BWJ Skip-stop with J east of BWJ Rush hours, mdidays, evenings Other times use (J)
If you want to eliminate some confusion then I guess the (Z) can be local west of Broadway Junction.
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I'd still like to see an express track installed on top of the Fulton St. stations and in the center trackway space for the Jamaica Avenue portion of the line. Unfortunately, that's a pipe dream for now, especially with the MTA gearing up for back-to-back fare hikes...
I don't think skip-stop service should be scrapped, but I don't think a whole new line designation should be used for it, i.e., the (Z). The skip-stop service on the (J) should just be known as the <J>.
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#436368 - 08/08/0804:58 PMRe: Cancel the Z and skip-stop stations
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The express track between Broadway Junction and Cypress Hills should be constructed along Jamaica Av so it would bypass the stations in between as well as those sharp 90 degree turns at Cypress and Crescent St. Finally redesign Woodhaven into a 2-island platform station to be the express stop on Jamaica Av.
#436889 - 08/10/0812:28 PMRe: Cancel the Z and skip-stop stations
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El_StationEl_Station
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If you think about all the time that the (J)/(Z) trains have to slow down even as they go through skipped stations, skip-stop service only saves 4 or 5 minutes along the entire trip. Why not just eliminate the (Z) and run more trains on the (J)?
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I'm not a fan of skip-stop either... but suggesting that skip stop along the broadway (brooklyn) line should be ousted b/c it aint work out for the 1/9... doesn't make much if any sense...
to the ppl that are suggesting kill the Z & run more service on the J... then all you'd have is a slow J stopping @ every stop from Broad st to Jamaica Ctr.... that would really stick it to Queens riders (or basically, riders east of B'way Junction)....
If you have some J trains run skip stop, and some J's that stop @ all stops... then you'd create the same confusion that 7 riders are currently going through; having difficulty figuring out which are locals & which are expresses (in this case, which are locals & which are skip stop J trains)....
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