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#423553 - 05/28/08 02:19 PM Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express stop
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Sometimes the express trains stop there, sometimes they don't. What do you think? should the 7 train always stop there as an express stop???
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#423572 - 05/28/08 02:55 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express stop [Re: Hiro Nakamura]
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I sent e-mail to MTA and they replied this about MET/Shea Stadium and 74th St-Broadway.
Manager made mistake with address.
 Originally Posted By: From my e-mail
Dear Msr. Endo,

You wrote about your commute on the 7 Line. I wish to respond to you.

I am sorry the post game Mets Express service is not good for you but I am delighted that the rush hour express service serves you well.

In order to provide the best service to all of our customers, very many of whom rely on local train service, with the exception of the Mets Express, we currently provide express service only during the morning and evening rush hours. We are constantly reevaluating the service we provide and perhaps in the future express service will be provided towards Willets Point before Mets games.

We considered opening trains on both sides as you suggested. The side of the Willets Point/Shea Stadium station where the train doors currently open has both more staircases and wider staircases than the side on which the train doors remain closed. It is our practice to keep the train in the station for a short time to maximize the number of trains that arrive. By opening doors on both sides, even if customers exit the train a little more quickly, the additional time it takes to open and close the doors on both sides of the train increases the amount of time the train stays in the station and reduces the number of trains that can arrive at the station. Because we want as many trains as possible to arrive at Willets Point/Shea Stadium before each game, we decided to open the doors on the one side with more staircases and wider staircases.

We are also frustrated that 74 Street/Broadway is not an express stop. This is the history. The 7 Line was laid out over two years from 1912 to 1913. The area developed as a result of the construction of the 7 Line. Broadway was not extended through this area until many years later. The Queens Boulevard Lines, which we now call the E, F, G, R and V Lines, were not even proposed until 1925 and not built until 1933. At that point, it was not possible to widen the 7 Line at 74 Street/Broadway and build express platforms without knocking down a lot of buildings.

We read every message from every customer and use your comments to improve the service we provide to you. We believe every message is a Rider Report Card in which you tell us how you want us to manage your 7 Line. Thank you for taking the time to share your valuable thoughts with us.


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#423577 - 05/28/08 03:53 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: FamousNYLover]
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Thank you for your insight and e-mail to the MTA.
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#423591 - 05/28/08 04:25 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: Hiro Nakamura]
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 Originally Posted By: Hiro Nakamura
Thank you for your insight and e-mail to the MTA.


welcome aboard Hiro Nakamura. I assume you question is for the MTA to bulid a new platform for 'express trains' to stop at 74th/Broadway. Well it wont happen anytime soon and probably never. They are so many more important constuction projects to finish such as the 2nd ave subway and the LIRR extension to Grand Central for instance they will cost a billion or more each.

Besides several other people have sugegsted the same thing for 59th St/Columbus Circle in Manhattan for the #2 and #3 express to stop there to connect with the "A, B, C & D" lines.
Besides the #7 Local is still a more realible and frequent that almost all of the other 'Local' trains in the NYC subway system so be grateful.

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#423611 - 05/28/08 05:26 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
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Besides the #7 Local is still a more realible and frequent that almost all of the other 'Local' trains in the NYC subway system so be grateful. [/quote]

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#423612 - 05/28/08 05:26 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
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Besides the #7 Local is still a more realible and frequent that almost all of the other 'Local' trains in the NYC subway system so be grateful.

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#423615 - 05/28/08 05:30 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
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 Originally Posted By: R-7 SEPTA Local

Besides the #7 Local is still a more realible and frequent that almost all of the other 'Local' trains in the NYC subway system so be grateful.


Except when it mascarades as an <7>.

Until the MTA can figure out a realiable way to visually distinguish the (7) from the <7>, the 7 train will remain useless to many (inlcuding me).

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#423927 - 05/29/08 01:31 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: Keir]
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Plus it will cause tons of work & service disruptions.
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#423948 - 05/29/08 04:35 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: A-train]
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Express trains are crowded enough without stopping at Broadway...why make things worse?
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#423955 - 05/29/08 04:47 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: Keir]
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 Originally Posted By: Keir
Until the MTA can figure out a realiable way to visually distinguish the (7) from the <7>, the 7 train will remain useless to many (inlcuding me).


http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?82950


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#423958 - 05/29/08 04:51 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
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I don't think it involves building a new platform. I just wanted to start a conversation about the different improvements that could be done. Maybe having the express train stopping at 74th and broadway station during rush hour.

I already see that this too could potentially be damaging to the system already in place and cause further delays. I do realize that there are far worse off lines in the system.
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#423963 - 05/29/08 04:58 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: Hiro Nakamura]
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Yeah, there would be the same confusion at 74th as there is already at Queensboro Plaza. Not to mention about 75% of the riders on the 7 are illiterate (not related to their ethnicity, they're just plain dumb and blind) and won't know if the train is express or local, even if there are signs on the train that specify which.
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#424095 - 05/30/08 01:07 AM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: R32_3348]
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i know what you mean...the other day there was no express and i was yelling at someone who was asking....i said there is no express 3time and she got on and off the train 2 times...holding the doors of course!
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#424167 - 05/30/08 04:16 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: marcmail]
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I love those platform waiting signs for the L train, I wish they were on every line or at least at the stations where there is so much confusion going on.

I did hear a lot of announcements on the 7 train, almost too many when the automated ones were being cut off by someone at the station over the PA system.
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#425041 - 06/05/08 08:12 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: Hiro Nakamura]
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I actually think the system of having only local trains stop at 74 St is good for crowd control. The two big population centers on the 7 are in Corona/Jackson Heights and Flushing. Currently, most passengers to Flushing get on the <7> at either Queensboro Plaza or in Manhattan, while the JH/Corona bunch gets on the train at 74 St. I have a hunch that if both groups were vying for the same train, it would be a madhouse. The 7 is a weird line, it's the only one where the population centers are clustered at the far end of the line.
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#435148 - 08/03/08 10:02 AM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: shawnito15]
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A better suggestion would be a rebuild of the 7 line to four tracks, underground, from 34th Street and 12th Ave in Manhattan to continue part Flushing to run to Queens College, St. John's University, and Queensboro Community College.
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#435280 - 08/03/08 09:45 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: patsw]
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The line was never built to handle four tracks, so this will require modification of the entire two- and three-track infrastructure, to say nothing of the additional tunneling under the East River.
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#435313 - 08/03/08 10:51 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: Alon]
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i guess 74st will remain like columbus circle express on the ind and local on the irt which makes no sense
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#435320 - 08/03/08 11:55 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: johnnelson]
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i agree with shawnito, while it is a bit dumb at first glance that express <7> trains don't stop at 74th for the transfer, it makes some sense if you think about it. the 7 is one of the most overcrowded lines in the system, and this encourages people to use the E and F instead, when going to/from jackson heights. and 74th is smack in the middle of the express run of the <7>, so if you are transfering to/from the 7 at that point, you don't really "need" an express train. definitely a peculiarity of the NYC system that you wouldn't get in a newer subway system (of course, i love these peculiarities) ;\)

and as for widening the 7 to 4 tracks, that could not physically happen. have a look at how tight roosevelt avenue gets around the 52nd street stop (i feel like you could reach an arm out of some of those apartment windows and touch the platform)! not to mention the LIC track run under 50th avenue... it would be nice, but just way too expensive to do to be worth it.

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#435400 - 08/04/08 03:41 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: cda]
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The E is busier than the 7, but the local-only service at 74th is actually good for this. The E/F's capacity problems occur primarily west of Roosevelt. The 7's occur throughout the entire line, because it gets much of its ridership from stations east of 74th. So by discouraging transfers, the local-only service at 74th makes it less likely that commuters from Flushing, Corona, and Elmhurst will add to the crowding problems of QB Express.
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#435409 - 08/04/08 05:18 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: Alon]
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 Originally Posted By: Alon
The E is busier than the 7, but the local-only service at 74th is actually good for this. The E/F's capacity problems occur primarily west of Roosevelt. The 7's occur throughout the entire line, because it gets much of its ridership from stations east of 74th. So by discouraging transfers, the local-only service at 74th makes it less likely that commuters from Flushing, Corona, and Elmhurst will add to the crowding problems of QB Express.


Really? In the morning rush the 7 locals empty out at Roosevelt, then get packed again to Queensboro Plaza. It's the exact opposite during the PM rush.
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#435447 - 08/04/08 07:27 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: patsw]
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A better suggestion would be a rebuild of the 7 line to four tracks, underground, from 34th Street and 12th Ave in Manhattan to continue part Flushing to run to Queens College, St. John's University, and Queensboro Community College.


Do you have at least $2 Billion my friend to bulid this?
A better use of that 'extra' fanasty money would be:

1)extend the "E" via Jamaica Ave to at least Queens Village/Springfield Blvd.

2)Extend the #7 to Bayside/bell Blvd

3)Bulid 2 new extra tracks under the Queens Blvd line for a super express between Forest Hills and Queens Plaza/LIC area.

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#435451 - 08/04/08 07:31 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: johnnelson]
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 Originally Posted By: johnnelson
i guess 74st will remain like columbus circle express on the ind and local on the irt which makes no sense


Although I normally favor the express over the local, in this scenario the time savings of the express vs local would be minimal. Having the <7> skip 74th prevents the whole line from being congested.
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#435459 - 08/04/08 07:45 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: Lex Express]
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Also 61 Street on the express is only two stops away and it will slow the express significantly.
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#436388 - 08/08/08 06:12 PM Re: Making 74th and Broadway a Full-time express s [Re: R32_3348]
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I don't think it is a good idea. The 7 express gets pretty crowded at Willets Point and Main Street, then again at Junction. Let them stay on the local.
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