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#389146 - 11/25/07 10:17 AM Permanent extension to Church Ave.
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I don't know if this article is old news or not, but according to The Brooklyn Paper The G train will be extended to Church Ave. permanently, not just until the viaduct work is finished. I wish they did a better job citing their sources though. Combine that with a hopeful return to regular Queens Blvd. service and this might end up being a solid useful line. Now c'mon MTA! Cut those headway times!

Ooops, forgot the link: http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/30/46/30_46finggreat.html


Edited by shawnito15 (11/25/07 10:18 AM)
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#389752 - 11/27/07 10:44 AM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: shawnito15]
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Interesting article with a link to an equally interesting editorial "Who Needs An (F) Express?". According to the Real Deal, (G) train ridership rose to 12.6 Million by 2006 from 8.5 back in 1995.
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#390077 - 11/28/07 06:54 PM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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While others have proposed another use for the V-train, should the number of subway cars increase, I still think that there is merit to the idea of the V-train as a rush hour express along the Culver line.

Where during the weekday rush hours the V-train would run in both directions as a rush hour express to/from Church Avenue. In addition, the same V-train would continue run as a peak direction express to/from Kings Highway, the non-peak direction V-trains would may or may-not stop at the local stops. The peak direction express trains would use the middle track for a faster run.

This would allow F-trains to remain local 24/7/365 at their current frequencies and service levels. The V-train would offer the additional service - so there is no confusion about what is local or expres at any time of day/night.

Since the Kings Highway station can no longer switch Manhattan bound F-trains to the middle track, the station works well to terminate express trains that use the center.

The G-train would permanently run to/from Church Avenue at all times 24/7/365, offering additional local service and transfers to important lines.

All in all - once the construction work on the viaduct is complete, and new trains are acquired - this kind of a plan would benefit many, without anyone losing anything.

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#390080 - 11/28/07 07:06 PM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: MikeGerald45]
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 Originally Posted By: MikeGerald45
While others have proposed another use for the V-train, should the number of subway cars increase, I still think that there is merit to the idea of the V-train as a rush hour express along the Culver line.

Where during the weekday rush hours the V-train would run in both directions as a rush hour express to/from Church Avenue. In addition, the same V-train would continue run as a peak direction express to/from Kings Highway, the non-peak direction V-trains would may or may-not stop at the local stops. The peak direction express trains would use the middle track for a faster run.

This would allow F-trains to remain local 24/7/365 at their current frequencies and service levels. The V-train would offer the additional service - so there is no confusion about what is local or expres at any time of day/night.

Since the Kings Highway station can no longer switch Manhattan bound F-trains to the middle track, the station works well to terminate express trains that use the center.

The G-train would permanently run to/from Church Avenue at all times 24/7/365, offering additional local service and transfers to important lines.

All in all - once the construction work on the viaduct is complete, and new trains are acquired - this kind of a plan would benefit many, without anyone losing anything.

Mike



After the Culver/McDonald Ave re construction especially the 9th St 'el' this is the best plan(that Mike mentioned above) i seen to date to run the '3' lines weekdays in Brooklyn. Also by 2012 the Culver line might have the R-160's too and better signals so more trains could run then.

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#390178 - 11/29/07 09:39 AM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: shawnito15]
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 Originally Posted By: shawnito15
I don't know if this article is old news or not, but according to The Brooklyn Paper The G train will be extended to Church Ave. permanently, not just until the viaduct work is finished. I wish they did a better job citing their sources though. Combine that with a hopeful return to regular Queens Blvd. service and this might end up being a solid useful line. Now c'mon MTA! Cut those headway times!

Ooops, forgot the link: http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/30/46/30_46finggreat.html


you can also find info on this, albeit brief, in the press section of the mta web site.

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#411316 - 03/07/08 01:12 AM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
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 Originally Posted By: R-7 SEPTA Local

After the Culver/McDonald Ave re construction especially the 9th St 'el' this is the best plan(that Mike mentioned above) i seen to date to run the '3' lines weekdays in Brooklyn. Also by 2012 the Culver line might have the R-160's too and better signals so more trains could run then.


for cross-reference, if anyone cares, i also wrote up some thoughts about this topic here:

http://www.straphangers.org/diaries/ubbt...rt/2#Post410406

(not having seen this thread)

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#414811 - 03/28/08 01:15 PM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: cda]
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Anybody have a timeframe on when this is supposed to happen? All I hear is 2008. Thanks.
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#414816 - 03/28/08 01:32 PM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: bronxlord]
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Anybody have a timeframe on when this is supposed to happen? All I hear is 2008. Thanks.


The extension to Church Ave is planned for by no later than Sept. and does not need public hearings since the extension to Church Ave is considered a 'service increase' and related to long term construction at the Smith/9th Sts station.

Regarding the permenent ending of QB(termating at Court Sq.)service, it must go through public hearings. It scheduled if approved by full MTA board for Nov.-Dec. 2008-January 2009.

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#427140 - 06/19/08 02:34 PM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
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So what happens now? Does this mean no Church Avenue extension?

From the NY Times:

"One line that had been scheduled for more service in the original proposal last December but was not included in this round of improvements was the G. Riders on the G often complain of long waits between trains. Officials said the G did not exceed the loading guidelines."
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#427143 - 06/19/08 03:20 PM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: bronxlord]
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OK. For the Culver Viaduct rehabillitation to proceed the (G) has to be extended to Church Avenue-Kensington. Whether this becomes permanent and what happens now on Queens Boulevard is anyone's guess.
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#427177 - 06/19/08 06:08 PM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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The extension will happen, just later on in the year or early next year.
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#437121 - 08/11/08 10:30 AM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: R32_3348]
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How many cars would the extended G train have?
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#437185 - 08/11/08 04:13 PM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: NAMELESS3401]
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the same I think, but they would most likely run more trains and completely end service past Court Square. (sigh)
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#437186 - 08/11/08 04:14 PM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: G_Crosstown]
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Does anyone know when this extension will happen btw because the MTa just keeps pushing it back.
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#437236 - 08/11/08 08:26 PM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: G_Crosstown]
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 Originally Posted By: G_Crosstown
Does anyone know when this extension will happen btw because the MTa just keeps pushing it back.


It might happen next Pick at the turn of the year.
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#437258 - 08/11/08 10:14 PM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: R32_3348]
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If the seventy-five year old Culver Viaduct is crumbling as has been reported and Smith-Ninth Streets can't be used as a terminal as has also been reported then the sooner the better. Estimates are the repair work will take four years, I've heard.
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#437405 - 08/12/08 03:43 PM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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It might happen really soon, because if you go to the G train schedule on the MTA website, it says "This Subway Route Map is being revised and will be re-posted shortly". Not sure how long that has been up, but seems like a good sign.
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#437427 - 08/12/08 04:24 PM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: bronxlord]
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 Originally Posted By: bronxlord
It might happen really soon, because if you go to the G train schedule on the MTA website, it says "This Subway Route Map is being revised and will be re-posted shortly". Not sure how long that has been up, but seems like a good sign.


It says that for all the lines -- not just the (G).
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#437604 - 08/13/08 01:21 PM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: El_Station]
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with only 2 regular stops in Queens, the G should be renamed Brooklyn Crosstown
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#437612 - 08/13/08 01:30 PM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: NX Sea Beach Express]
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with only 2 regular stops in Queens, the G should be renamed Brooklyn Crosstown


lol
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#437647 - 08/13/08 03:21 PM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: El_Station]
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agreed.
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#438343 - 08/15/08 02:32 PM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: G_Crosstown]
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Ha, i just looked at google maps in that area of Brooklyn and it alreadys says from 4th Ave to Church Ave that both the F and the G stop at those stations. I wonder when and why this was done or if this means that the extension is happening in a few days or not.
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#438390 - 08/15/08 05:23 PM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: G_Crosstown]
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 Originally Posted By: G_Crosstown
Ha, i just looked at google maps in that area of Brooklyn and it alreadys says from 4th Ave to Church Ave that both the F and the G stop at those stations. I wonder when and why this was done or if this means that the extension is happening in a few days or not.

Haha, that's funny. Probably just someone on the Google Maps team jumped the gun.
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#438439 - 08/15/08 08:26 PM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: El_Station]
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I also saw today on google maps that it says that the W also stops at Atlantic - Pacific and that that is its current terminal!
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#438446 - 08/15/08 08:51 PM Re: Permanent extension to Church Ave. [Re: G_Crosstown]
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Unfortunately the (G) isn't being extended soon. The extensions go into effect with each Pick. The last one was on 7/27 (which coincided with the other improvements) while the next one is early next year. I'm not sure if the (G) extension will go into effect next Pick.
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