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#383556 - 10/29/07 02:31 PM Too Many Shuttles?
EE Broadway Local EE Broadway Local Federal Transit Administration Rep. Registered: 11/28/06 Posts: 5812 Loc: Ariz. by way of N.J. & N.Y.	Does New York City have too many shuttles operating or do the ones we have have value? _________________________ E.......is for Elizabeth!
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#383579 - 10/29/07 04:06 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: EE Broadway Local]
Grand Concourse Grand Concourse Lord of the Post Registered: 06/26/02 Posts: 18327 Loc: Manhattan	The main 3 shuttles serves a purpose and are more or less well used. Also as far as other lines like the 5/M/R at night they serve segments up to a transfer point so riders can continue on their trip on another line rather than to run that line over the segments that are already covered.
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#383803 - 10/30/07 10:51 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: Grand Concourse]
sebbieprops sebbieprops Gene Russianoff Registered: 06/15/07 Posts: 9392 Loc: Morrisania, Bronx NY	I think that the 3 shuttles should remain the way they are currently running. The only thing I don't like is that they all use (S) as their designation. My solution would be to make the (S) the designation for the 42nd Street shuttle, and the others, appropriately, (H) for Howard Beach and (P) for Prospect Park. _________________________ I am an observer of the human condition.
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#383830 - 10/30/07 11:55 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: sebbieprops]
Grand Concourse Grand Concourse Lord of the Post Registered: 06/26/02 Posts: 18327 Loc: Manhattan	Again, the 3 shuttles are in 3 different boroughs, so long as someone is specific about which shuttle they want there is no confusion and no need for all the letter changes. They are what they are - shuttles. Edited by Grand Concourse (10/30/07 11:56 PM)
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#383962 - 10/31/07 04:37 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: Grand Concourse]
EE Broadway Local EE Broadway Local Federal Transit Administration Rep. Registered: 11/28/06 Posts: 5812 Loc: Ariz. by way of N.J. & N.Y.	Also, there's the nights shuttle between Rockaway Boulevard and Lefferts Boulevard. _________________________ E.......is for Elizabeth!
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#384019 - 10/31/07 08:39 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: EE Broadway Local]
TheGreatOne2k7 TheGreatOne2k7 TWU President Registered: 04/15/02 Posts: 3147 Loc: Bronx, NY	MTA already uses these internally, why not just use them publicly (8) - 42 St (S) (H) - Rockaway (S) (S) - Franklin (S) _________________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/52389966@N00/
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#384023 - 10/31/07 08:53 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: sebbieprops]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local Lord of the Post Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 11047 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	Originally Posted By: sebbieprops I think that the 3 shuttles should remain the way they are currently running. The only thing I don't like is that they all use (S) as their designation. My solution would be to make the (S) the designation for the 42nd Street shuttle, and the others, appropriately, (H) for Howard Beach and (P) for Prospect Park. I agree with the 'great one' and Sebbie shuttle ideas. Since they are thousands of 'clueless' riders in NYC since it so big, i do endorse renaming the shuttles.
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#384077 - 10/31/07 10:32 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
sebbieprops sebbieprops Gene Russianoff Registered: 06/15/07 Posts: 9392 Loc: Morrisania, Bronx NY	Originally Posted By: R-7 SEPTA Local Originally Posted By: sebbieprops I think that the 3 shuttles should remain the way they are currently running. The only thing I don't like is that they all use (S) as their designation. My solution would be to make the (S) the designation for the 42nd Street shuttle, and the others, appropriately, (H) for Howard Beach and (P) for Prospect Park. I agree with the 'great one' and Sebbie shuttle ideas. Since they are thousands of 'clueless' riders in NYC since it so big, i do endorse renaming the shuttles. How would you prefer to re-designate them? (With the 8/H/S, or the S/H/P, or something else entirely?) _________________________ I am an observer of the human condition.
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#384087 - 10/31/07 10:42 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: sebbieprops]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local Lord of the Post Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 11047 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	I would rename the Times Sq/Grand Central the #8 so rider know it's an "IRT" aka Numbered line. I would call the Franklin Ave Shuttle the "P" since it serves Prospect Park and "P" has not been used yet. I would rename both the Rockaway Park Shuttle and rush hour "A" Rockaway Park extension branch to/from Manhattan the "H".
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#384147 - 11/01/07 01:58 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
Brighton Line Brighton Line Federal Transit Administration Rep. Registered: 02/16/01 Posts: 5548 Loc: Brooklyn,NY, US	I have to take a P? _________________________ Brighton Line Still can't find the "Any Key" on my keyboard. I can't continue.
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#384158 - 11/01/07 04:14 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: Brighton Line]
R32_3348 R32_3348 Subway Engineer Registered: 03/25/07 Posts: 2662 Loc: Jackson Heights	LOL @ Brighton Line...IIRC, the P designation was THOUGHT to have been (key phrase) never used because of bathroom humor. _________________________ Photobucket -R160B8713 on NYCTForums
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#384283 - 11/01/07 11:29 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
Lex Express Lex Express Lord of the Post Registered: 06/27/02 Posts: 17428 Loc: Springfield Gardens, Queens	There shouldn't be any confusion since the shuttles are nowhere near each other. Not that many people confuse the Rockaway Park shuttle with the 42nd street shuttle. _________________________ "This stop is Wheaton. Red Line to Shady Grove. Next stop is Forest Glen".
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#384345 - 11/02/07 06:01 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: Lex Express]
R32_3348 R32_3348 Subway Engineer Registered: 03/25/07 Posts: 2662 Loc: Jackson Heights	Oh, people confuse them alright. It's just not the best idea to have three shuttles all named S...I don't know. It's nothing significant. _________________________ Photobucket -R160B8713 on NYCTForums
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#384565 - 11/03/07 10:34 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: R32_3348]
Grand Concourse Grand Concourse Lord of the Post Registered: 06/26/02 Posts: 18327 Loc: Manhattan	All shuttles are not significant to warrant a letter change, so therefore it doesn't matter and there is no need to rename them. So long as the people are specific about which borough then there is no problem. What confusion? You are all overthinking this issue. Edited by Grand Concourse (11/03/07 10:34 PM)
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#384894 - 11/05/07 06:17 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: Grand Concourse]
RokuSix RokuSix Subway Engineer Registered: 07/28/07 Posts: 2715 Loc: The Bronx!	Yeah, if the borough of the shuttle is specified, I don't think there should be any confusion. I never refer it to the S train, I always say "Yeah, let me just shuttle over." Although the 42nd Street Shuttle could be called the 8 train, I honestly think there would be a lot of errors in communication. If not enunciated, 8 sounds an awful lot like A. _________________________ East Side IRT Fangirl. Yes, I'm a female railfan. The Bronx is up.
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#384895 - 11/05/07 06:31 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: RokuSix]
FamousNYLover FamousNYLover MTA Board Member Registered: 01/12/05 Posts: 6922 Loc: Staying until St. Patty's in O...	I also think shuttles should not arrange letters, because shuttle only goes 3, four or five stations depends on borough. _________________________ Yuki Endo, celebrity in NY has return to Big Apple.
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#385992 - 11/13/07 04:52 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: FamousNYLover]
mta36 mta36 Transport Workers Union Steward Registered: 02/28/07 Posts: 1140 Loc: Bronx, New York	I hardly hear anyone refer to the shuttle by the letter of the train, simply shuttle or even the parent train line Ex- people still refer to the Dyre Ave Shuttle as the 5 train or 5 train shuttle
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#386101 - 11/14/07 01:36 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: mta36]
Brighton Line Brighton Line Federal Transit Administration Rep. Registered: 02/16/01 Posts: 5548 Loc: Brooklyn,NY, US	And to the R? I just say the R is running Shuttle _________________________ Brighton Line Still can't find the "Any Key" on my keyboard. I can't continue.
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#387509 - 11/19/07 10:38 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: RokuSix]
R62A 2012 R62A 2012 Lord of the Post Registered: 11/06/02 Posts: 11127 Loc: NJ	Originally Posted By: RokuSix Although the 42nd Street Shuttle could be called the 8 train, I honestly think there would be a lot of errors in communication. If not enunciated, 8 sounds an awful lot like A. The 8 was already used and reserved for the IRT Third Avenue el in the Bronx until 1973. _________________________ The R36 Celebrating 40 years on land and at sea 1964-2004
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#388485 - 11/23/07 12:04 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: R62A 2012]
bronxlord bronxlord Tourist Registered: 03/16/05 Posts: 46 Loc: 7 train, 40th Street	I think that the shuttles should be renamed. It is a little silly that they do not. I think the 42nd Street Shuttle should remain "S" because it is very well-known. The "P" for Franklin Avenue makes sense. And there should definitely be a change for the A train shuttles. I mean if you are not from New York and for some reason need to go all the way out to Queens, you need to know that differentiation. I am sure enough people thought "Oh I will take the A train to Howard Beach and take the AirTrain to JFK", only to wind up in Ozone Park. The "A" should go to Far Rockaway, the "H" to Rockaway Beach, and the "K" to Lefferts. There is no reason not to. _________________________ "The 2 train is the train to keep the man down" - Sean Cloherty
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#388618 - 11/23/07 03:19 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: bronxlord]
sebbieprops sebbieprops Gene Russianoff Registered: 06/15/07 Posts: 9392 Loc: Morrisania, Bronx NY	Originally Posted By: bronxlord I think that the shuttles should be renamed. It is a little silly that they do not. I think the 42nd Street Shuttle should remain "S" because it is very well-known. The "P" for Franklin Avenue makes sense. And there should definitely be a change for the A train shuttles. I mean if you are not from New York and for some reason need to go all the way out to Queens, you need to know that differentiation. I am sure enough people thought "Oh I will take the A train to Howard Beach and take the AirTrain to JFK", only to wind up in Ozone Park. The "A" should go to Far Rockaway, the "H" to Rockaway Beach, and the "K" to Lefferts. There is no reason not to. Agreed with keeping the (S) as the designation for the 42nd Street shuttle, and the (P) as the designation for the Prospect Park shuttle. To avoid having to use the (K) designation, here's my proposal for the continuation of the (A) beyond Euclid Ave: The (C) is extended beyond Euclid, to include the following stops: A/C Grant A/C 80th A/C 88th A/C Rockaway Blvd C 104th C 111th C Ozone Park/Lefferts. The (A) continues on to Far Rockaway, with these stops: A/C Grant A/C 80th A/C 88th A/C Rockaway Blvd A Aqueduct Racetrack A Aqueduct/North Conduit Ave A/H Howard Beach/JFK Airport A/H Broad Channel A Beach 67th A Beach 60th A Beach 44th A Beach 36th A Beach 25th A Far Rockaway/Mott. The (H) extends from Howard Beach to Rockaway Park, with these stops: A/H Howard Beach/JFK Airport H Beach 90th H Beach 98th H Beach 105th H Beach 116th/Rockaway Park. _________________________ I am an observer of the human condition.
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#388914 - 11/23/07 10:18 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: sebbieprops]
Lex Express Lex Express Lord of the Post Registered: 06/27/02 Posts: 17428 Loc: Springfield Gardens, Queens	Lefferts riders will be angry if their A express is replaced by the C local. Lefferts may only be three stops but it is fairly busy. _________________________ "This stop is Wheaton. Red Line to Shady Grove. Next stop is Forest Glen".
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#389472 - 11/26/07 11:48 AM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: TheGreatOne2k7]
Chemmy Chemmy Lord of the Post Registered: 02/21/02 Posts: 13579 Loc: Howard Beach NY	Originally Posted By: TheGreatOne2k7 MTA already uses these internally, why not just use them publicly (8) - 42 St (S) (H) - Rockaway (S) (S) - Franklin (S) At least then the fare hike would be justified cause they would have to pay for all new maps, signs, rollsigns, etc... /sarcasm
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#399704 - 01/12/08 09:02 AM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: EE Broadway Local]
Cassandra30 Cassandra30 Straphanger Registered: 01/10/08 Posts: 275 Loc: Elmhurst, Queens	Originally Posted By: EE Broadway Local Also, there's the nights shuttle between Rockaway Boulevard and Lefferts Boulevard. Actually that late night shuttle(S) runs from Euclid Avenue to Lefferts Boulevard. _________________________ "Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it." $;\)$
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#399820 - 01/12/08 05:48 PM Re: Too Many Shuttles? [Re: Cassandra30]
Relay Relay Straphanger Registered: 01/10/08 Posts: 268 Loc: New York City	And there's talk of resurrecting the 3 shuttle for late nights. Actually, most of what we call shuttles are not that in the true (railroad)sense of the word. The one that best qualifies is the Times Square - Grand Central shuttle. The late night 5 is not truly a shuttle. It is more like a short line, and so are the Rockaway and Lefferts "shuttles". So I would agree that maybe the only one to carry the "S" should be the Times SQ - Grand Central. As has been already mentioned, "8" is too close and easy to confuse with "A" if not enunciated properly, and the passengers already have enough difficulty navigating their way through the 12 lines that stop in Times SQ. _________________________ Photobucket:- http://s265.photobucket.com/albums/ii205/Relay-Metro
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